How the 2005 us gp became a farce - chain bear explains

Autosport

👍15243 👁1039697

View Description
The 2005 United States Grand Prix is infamous in F1 history, with only six cars taking the start as the Michelin teams were forced to withdraw on safety grounds due to concerns about their tyres. In his latest video with Autosport, Chain Bear explains the factors that were behind Michelin's problems, plus the attempts made to find a solution that would prevent the majority of the field peeling into the pits at the end of the formation lap. Could it have been avoided?
View Tags
Chain bear f1, F1 indianapolis, Indy 2005, Us gp 2005, Indianapolis michelin, Ralf schumacher crash, Ralf schumacher indianapolis crash, 2005 united states grand prix, F1 six car race, Why did teams pull out of the 2005 us gp?.
View Comments
Duffman15000
Duffman15000

Your graphic is wrong. The car would pulling outward, your tires would be pulling inwards.

2018-10-24
TAIPIZZALORD
TAIPIZZALORD

That stupid 2005 rule of only using 1 set of tyres for both qualifying AND the race was so obviously put there to stop Schumacher and Ferrari from winning an 8th title.

2018-10-25
Peters6221
Peters6221

I remember I was at that race. "Much fury" is an understatement. People were trying to throw things on the track, you had kids around us crying, people were yelling and chanting. It's no surprise it effectively killed US interest in Formula 1 to this day. Especially at IMS, people are used to a good show, not the embarrassment of nearly an entire organization just not being prepared to handle even just a piece of what's normal to do here with the banking. Not only that, but an organization charging boatloads of money (both to the track and to the fans) to just not even put on a race. If it was the 3 top teams (if those were the ones on Bridgestone) it may have been less bitter, but Ferrari vs Jordan vs Minardi? That was an insult to even run the event at that point.

2018-10-25
Eric Enescu
Eric Enescu

The tyre deflection is the wrong way. It should the other way.

2018-10-25
Prevailing Hope
Prevailing Hope

Michelan.

2018-10-24
Naganachiketh Chinnamuttevi
Naganachiketh Chinnamuttevi

I didnt realize this wasnt chainbear's channel until the end

2018-10-24
Ted Schoenling
Ted Schoenling

Thanks for the extra light on this... I remember that race, but didn't realize what a arse Max was during the entire thing. Throwing a large straw bale chicane would not have been dangerous (see Le Mans for crying out loud) and would have saved the race. That the teams were willing to forego points to put on a show says much. The teams care for the fans, the FiA not so much.

2018-10-24
DeadJuice
DeadJuice

the funny thing is that the new Indianapolis GP Circuit deleted the last corner putting pretty much a chicane in the infield of the corner to avoid this thing to happen again in other events in the future

2018-10-24
AlwaysRM_
AlwaysRM_

Just think about that: No tyre Change rule. And the Current No Refueling Rule. Combine them. All Stratagy is gone :(

2018-10-24
Taut Tech / Minus Managed Music
Taut Tech / Minus Managed Music

You missed one fact. Toyota were running the tyres outside specification, almost 0.7 bar under pressure. This is what caused the failure. Only Toyota had any kind of failure that weekend, with all the other teams running the tyres in specification. This is why in the end it was Toyota, not Michelin, who repaid the fans ticket costs by refunding Michelin. What you have told here is the originally reported history as told by Toyota. It was not long after this event that tyre pressure rules were overhauled. When Pirelli became the only tyre manufacturer, the F1 teams started playing with tyre pressures again as the rules had specifically named Bridgestone and Michelin. After a number of tyre failures due to running under pressure, the rules were changed to make minimum manufacturer mandated pressures enforceable regardless of the tyre origin. The same rule was quickly adopted across all FIA sanctioned race series. This entire fiasco was yet another example of Toyota cheating on track.

2018-10-27
Jonathan Straetman
Jonathan Straetman

3:39 isnt that picture wrong? The banked corner was a right hander and it looks like the tyres are doing a left corner? Or am i wrong? 🤔

2018-10-24
Smoove
Smoove

If you remember this race you're qualified for a veteran's discount

2018-10-26
Steve H2488
Steve H2488

I remember David Coulthard pleading to be able to race for McLaren I think on the formation lap. It was a rubbish race with only 6 cars but at least if one were really taking safety seriously

2018-10-24
Lost in Tennessee
Lost in Tennessee

It’s kind of funny the FIA refuses a chicane at this track but in 1994 were chicane happy at all the fast corners including Eau Rouge, not to mention forcing a lot of car modifications on teams at the last minute. If Ferrari had been on Michelin tires the chicane would have been used I bet.

2018-10-25
Austin Brooks
Austin Brooks

A chicane was the best solution. All the teams voted in favor of it except Ferrari. And this is why we got what we got.

2018-10-24
Amit Kumar
Amit Kumar

Last time I was this early, vettel already had a grid penalty

2018-10-24
Paul O
Paul O

I was there that weekend and Toyota was the only Michelin team that suffered tire failures. Why was that? Was it because Toyota was running their tires below recommended pressures? Asking for a friend.

2018-10-26
Tyicus
Tyicus

Why not mention the fact that there was a resolution presented under the stipulation that all teams must agree, However Ferrari decided to screw the race and vote no.

2018-10-25
NeoDerGrosse
NeoDerGrosse

That is not how banked corners work. banking a corner indeed adds a sideway component to the force of the cars weight, but it does not increase the stress on the tires it decreases it, because it is pointed in the exact opposite direction. That is the whole point of banking a corner. You bank it so you could go faster around it, but why is that? The limiting force in going around a normal corner is the adhesion of the tires on the surface of the road, when the centrifugal force becomes greater than the adhesion (by going faster or through a tighter radius) the car slides towards the outside of the corner. To counter this a corner can be banked on the outside. This means that a part of the cars weight pulls it to the inside and that force can be added to the adhesion and therefor allows one to go faster through a corner.

2018-10-28
xbird22
xbird22

The author got the picture backwards and thus ended up missing what is really happening. It is true that banked turns reduce side loading for a given speed and turn radius by converting a good amount of the load into vertical loading. But remember that the extra vertical loading actually allows higher corner speeds because it provides another form of "downforce" with no drag penalty. That is what is missing from the other circuits; the higher vertical load itself increases stress on the tire, but the addition of the higher side loading resulting from that extra "downforce" is what killed the Michelins.

2018-10-26
Stephen Higgins
Stephen Higgins

Max Mosley. End of.

2018-10-25
Oscar Shen
Oscar Shen

It's only me or anyone think FIA did nothing wrong on this? It was Michelin's job to proved suitable equipment, they were risking driver's life by failing to do this, you will know how dangerous that bank is if you have seen some indycar crash. It was not FIA's job th compromise for Michelin's mistake, FIA did what have to be done to keep the race fair, Michelin teams did what ahve to be done for drvier's safety, everyone get what they deserve. Michelin was the only one to blame.

2018-10-24
John Sim
John Sim

Don't you have the tyres deforming on your car graphic going the wrong way?

2018-10-25
SiVlog
SiVlog

There was another option available, for Bernie Eccleston to use if he'd wanted to save face (watch the qualifying session for that race). Specifically, the race could have been postponed if fewer than 12 cars would be taking the start. Putting it simply, there were more options available for all parties, but everyone concerned missed the most important people they serve, the fans, the paying public sitting in the stands to watch their cars and drivers race

2018-10-24
katchaontheflipside
katchaontheflipside

I failed to hear u say something about Ferrari. They were quite noisy that weekend about not giving an inch to the other teams (just like the FIA, which was pretty much the same team at the time😂)

2018-10-25
b145701s
b145701s

Id love to see f1 race at indy again though

2018-10-24
Corneliu Codreanu
Corneliu Codreanu

wh-why would the contact patch pull the car in the opposite direction of where it's turning? That makes no sense.

2018-10-25
Twin Turbo
Twin Turbo

oh look kids.....another race that Kimi should have won but lose due to a mechanical issue. I once counted the # of races that Kimi should have won and I stopped at 30 which would put him at 51 GP wins

2018-10-24
Architectural Works
Architectural Works

Ahh the days when u had either bridgestone or michellin....and only dry and wets...simpler times...now u have a rainbow of colors compound 😂😂😂😂

2018-10-27
jmowreader
jmowreader

The first thing I would have thought is, "is there any way we can put Firestone's Indy tire on these cars? We know they work on this track, and we know Firestone has enough of them in stock to mandate Firestones across the grid." The second thought is, "does Bridgestone have 32 extra sets of tires of this compound?" With proper security - requiring Bridgestone employees to handle the tires and only installing them on Michelin cars before the cars go to the track - they could have cut down on espionage to the level it normally is at anyway. The third thought is obvious: why the hell didn't the FIA tell the two camps long before the race, "the racing surface at Indianapolis is completely different than it was. Get two cars and a stack of tires and get your butts over there to figure the track out...Bridgestone go on this date, Michelin go a week later."

2018-10-28
Wesley Turnbull
Wesley Turnbull

So like, can F1 come back to Indy? I live here, so it’s a nice convenient place for a race to happen

2018-10-26
TheChrisD
TheChrisD

1:45 and 5:27 - IMS already had the SAFER barrier installed by then, so the cars weren't spearing straight into a concrete wall.

2018-10-25
BarbaricAvatar
BarbaricAvatar

Short version: The FIA were total morons about it. As usual.

2018-11-02
Jonathan Straetman
Jonathan Straetman

13 years ago...

2018-10-24
MrHatty051
MrHatty051

The FIA did nothing wrong. Michelin is 100% at fault for what happened. They brought the wrong tire for the track and that’s the end of it. I’m 2008, NASCAR had a similar issue at the same track. Indy had just been resurfaced and Goodyear, the ONLY tire manufacture in NASCAR, decided condoms would work over tires. The race was an unmitigated disaster. All 43 cars ran, but every 10 or so laps one of them either blew a tire or NASCAR called a caution in the name of safety. Granted NASCAR and Goodyear brought a different compound (specifically tires marked for Pocono the following weekend) but those harder tires still were failing within 10 laps. Goodyear bore the brunt of that debacle when it happened. Michelin needs to here. Credit to the FIA and F1 teams for trying to find a solution, but at the end of the day it all could have been avoided had Michelin brought the right tire.

2018-10-24
Il Papa Vitielo
Il Papa Vitielo

I want the us Grand Prix back at indianapolis

2018-10-25
Raptorman0909
Raptorman0909

That was a sad day in F1 for sure. The Indy track was never a great idea other than the nostalgia and history of the track -- putting an F1 car on a banked track, even just a single corner, was a brain dead idea from the get-go. It is fortunate the Ralph and others didn't die, and it was a great embarrassment for the USA that our race was a laughing stock.

2018-10-25
Will Crespo
Will Crespo

I forgive you F1. Will you come back to Indy now? 😔

2018-10-25
TheChillicharlie
TheChillicharlie

I'm so glad this has been done! A few months ago I was looking for a video like this because I remember this weekend but not clearly. Thanks for this! Learned more than the Wikipedia article has ✌🏽

2018-10-24
Luis Gimenez
Luis Gimenez

Also remember, the relation FIA-Michelin eas broken since 2003 when Michelin was forced to change the front tyres well into the season without testing. And the anouncement of the exit of WRC don't help. Sorry for my english.

2018-10-25
Riotlight
Riotlight

I would of suggested to let then run on Bridgestones but I guess they wouldn’t of had enough either.

2018-10-25
Azar Alamouri
Azar Alamouri

If you think an F1 car is dangerous or unstoppable at 80 Km/h or 49 miles/hour, then dude, you don't know nothing about F1 cars.

2018-11-09
BrotoGP
BrotoGP

I love how Chainbear pronounces Michelin

2018-10-24
Architectural Works
Architectural Works

Tht one race when u were a proud jordan fan 😂😂😂

2018-10-27
PV2Omni
PV2Omni

It never amazes me how bad, any bureaucracy, can screw up things!

2018-10-24
Ranalaped
Ranalaped

The way you say Michelin as "Mishalan"

2018-10-24
Nigel Depledge
Nigel Depledge

Max Moseley is a slimebag. He was trying to blame Michelin and the seven teams running those tyres for the fact that Bridgestone had access to data that Michelin did not have. I think the design error was made in good faith, and, if anyone is at fault, it's the FIA for not ensuring that information about the diamond-cut surface was communicated to Michelin in time for them to make tyres that would work.

2018-10-26
floppycheese96
floppycheese96

"meeshlaaan"............what........

2018-11-01
Rammsteeein
Rammsteeein

why didnt cars under michelin tyres just change to bridgestone tyres and full race can go

2018-10-25
Gerard Shadiow
Gerard Shadiow

I was at this race. Everyone was shouting BULLS**T!!!!!!

2018-10-25
jackie boy
jackie boy

Back in the 80's Bernie would have told them to race anyway

2018-10-31
Meme Master
Meme Master

first picture is george bush and video is 9:11 long 🤔

2018-11-01
DirtRacerX
DirtRacerX

I was at that race. Still boycotting Michelin tires to this day.

2018-10-30
F-14A Tomcat Tobar
F-14A Tomcat Tobar

Is it sad that I learn more science in YouTube then in School?

2018-10-27
Ton van Egmond
Ton van Egmond

video length 9:11 :D

2018-10-24
Thorsten Hagemeier
Thorsten Hagemeier

@3:02 ... what? Are you sure about that? Usually when an F1 car makes a right turn the entire car slides slightly to the left and almost rips the tires of the rims. So it should be the opposite direction of what you are explaining...

2018-10-27
Mike Andrews
Mike Andrews

COTA is better anyway.

2018-10-29
thefridgeman
thefridgeman

Any words about how F1 became a farce after 2013?

2018-10-29
Alex Crom 94
Alex Crom 94

Remember: when Michelin is Teasing/Mocking/Trolling another Tyre company, remember this to them.

2018-10-27
DaylightDigital
DaylightDigital

This was my first ever race in person!!!! I didn't race that it was only 6 cars racing, I was so impressed with the performance

2018-10-25
Midnight Mechanic
Midnight Mechanic

*FIA Whines* You can't put a chicane in there, it'll ruin the whole track pace!! *Michelin Teams point to La Sarthe circuit* *FIA whines even harder*

2018-11-02
Tyler
Tyler

You should do a similar video for the NASCAR tire Debacle in 2008 also at Indianapolis.

2018-10-24
Starting Karting
Starting Karting

Mishlan

2018-10-28
Cravone Gaming
Cravone Gaming

Best thing in this race was the Paul Stobbart interview.

2018-10-24
Duderama 67
Duderama 67

Ha ha chainbear what a boner!

2018-10-25
Liam Murray
Liam Murray

Thinking is a little backwards here with regards to the tyre direction. I had to think about it long and hard to make sure. I think the issue has come from thinking the car moves right and the tyre wants to continue forward, thus the car moves right and the tyre gets pulled left. When in reality the contact patch moves right and the car wants to continue forwards thus meaning the tyre is stretched the other direction for a right hand turn shown around the 3minute mark, with the bottom moving to the right and the top moving left. Actually infact the center moves left and the top and bottom move right as the car's weight is transfered to the tyre through the rim.

2018-10-27
nocalsteve
nocalsteve

Should have gone into more depth about the consequences of the race. The fans were throwing trash on the track during the race, Michael Schumacher was basically given a free race win since he had no real competition, and Michelin paid to have ticket costs refunded to fans, including buying 20,000 tickets for the next year's race. Also, left out that at one point all of the teams, except Ferrari led by Jean Todt, agreed to cancel the race altogether. The race only ran when Jordan and Minardi agreed to run the race.

2018-10-27
Adrian Rees
Adrian Rees

At last, a USGP 2005 story that also includes the Resurfacing of the Oval. And not directly points the armchair enthusiast's finger at Michelin.

2018-10-26
Sazaberu
Sazaberu

I was there that day as a kid. Ihad no clue this happened. But I miss this event dearly because I lived 2 hours away, Austin Texas is too far for me to attend.

2018-10-25
Parker Young
Parker Young

Thank you for the video, I'm glad to see more light being shown on the ways the FIA acted to remove the race from the spectators. Bottom line, they sanctioned an F1 race with 6 starters. a fact unavoidable by those who want to blame Michelin. even though they were disadvantaged by lack of data that Bridgestone had. if anyone wants to know why F1 isn't more popular in the states this race makes a fine example.

2018-10-25
Juan Medrano
Juan Medrano

Another reason why oval racing is Retarded! I'm Glad F1 is Racing at COTA these days. A real racetrack😎

2018-10-26
David King
David King

Couldn't they have used Bridgestone tyres, with Michelin teams with a penalty?

2018-10-26
Gary Crispin
Gary Crispin

I was sitting just beyond turn 1 overlooking the infield portion. When they pulled off I chucked my Fosters onto the track and left. Did get a refund from Michelin however. Luckily the ticket was my only expense as I live close. Feel bad for those poor SAPs that traveled all the way from Europe.

2018-10-25
Prince Lucifer
Prince Lucifer

The FIA did nothing wrong. Although they could've handled things better by reaching a compromise with the michelin teams to not score points

2018-10-24
Commanderraf
Commanderraf

An F1 history topic that Aidan Millward has already done a video on BUT explained by Chain Bear? This is awesome!!!

2018-10-24
peanutaxis
peanutaxis

I remember that race. The hate that Michelin got from fans was not fair given that Bridgestone had inside knowledge. A compromise should have been found. Like a chicane.

2018-10-27
Dustin Houser
Dustin Houser

got free tickets for the 2006 race and fell in love - boom - new f1 fan was born. its all a cycle

2018-10-24
Stephen Boyd
Stephen Boyd

I remember that race. What a farce.

2018-10-25
AOR xMinxG
AOR xMinxG

This proves the "sound is the only reason I watch f1" fans wrong. We had the greatest sounding engines that day(at least in most peoples opinion) and we still had a rubbish race. I think MSTF1 said it best "Do you enjoy the great racing? Did the rose tinted glasses fit?" I'd rather have today's engines and a full grid than whatever that farce was.

2018-10-25
TheBrass18
TheBrass18

Moseley is and always be a douchebag with his pants on feet, it is a fact.

2018-10-24
Erik
Erik

MICHELAN. MICHELAN

2018-10-24
Toms Tech
Toms Tech

And ather than get thier refund the Americans threw bottles on the track like theanderthols they are endangering the lives of those that wanted to race.

2018-10-25
Tero Marjamäki
Tero Marjamäki

Do you guys remember when Formula 1 was exciting and dangerous? I do. ^_^ I smile myself to sleep every evening, thinking of the good ol' days. Peace out!

2018-11-04
Ironbuket
Ironbuket

Interesting explanation. I watched that race live and remember the commentators saying the situation was caused by the teams not being able to get replacement tyres to the US in time for the race. Seems weird they were so wrong. Even if the tyres arrived in time they were the same tyres and so no good to be used?

2018-11-09
Jeffrey Hueseman
Jeffrey Hueseman

High banked turn......bwahahaha....F1 goes to Talladega and promptly runs the apron flat out.

2018-11-08
Chris A
Chris A

Nascar had a similar disaster of a race in the mid 2000’s. There was a full field, but a handfull of leading cars had their Goodyear’s ripped to shreds. Indianapolis’ surface is coarse to put it mildly. Although, I think it’s been resurfaced since these days.

2018-11-09
Ryan Patterson
Ryan Patterson

I thought there was also a dispute between Toyota and Michelin regarding the correct tire pressure to operate the tires with. Ralf's blowout happened when he was running with tire pressure outside of what Michelin recommended.

2018-10-25
MaQuGo119
MaQuGo119

MichelAHn

2018-11-07
Swine Brothers
Swine Brothers

the funny part? that turn is relatively flat for an ovel.

2018-11-08
bcubed72
bcubed72

So...F1 can't hack high speeds? LMAO!

2018-11-08
MRTiGzoruA
MRTiGzoruA

why do you say michelaaan? .-. can you not say lin insted of lan

2018-11-06
CusterFlux
CusterFlux

Any ten year old who's ever watched a car take a tight corner, knows those graphics are wrong - very wrong - my god - fix your animation, this is embarrassing.

2018-11-07
Dick Zuckerburg
Dick Zuckerburg

Of course, Bridgestone offered to let those teams borrow some tires that could do the job. I still will not buy Michelin Tires because of this.

2018-11-06
J PAK
J PAK

bank angle diagram is reverse....

2018-11-08
Izzy G
Izzy G

i cannot believe this was 2005.... are you sure it was in 2005?!!!!!! i feel like that was just yesterday!!!! im 25 now

2018-11-09
Jakepetrolhead
Jakepetrolhead

I mean, the only positive was Minardi Vs Jordan for a Podium spot.

2018-10-26
J PAK
J PAK

wouldnt the bank angle relieve some stress on the tire? opposite as video claims?

2018-11-08
MrWombatty
MrWombatty

I'd already given up on watching F1 a few yrs before because of all the rule-changes & politicking! Here in Australia they'd dropped the touring-car championship races a number of yrs earlier in favour of boring V8-supercars, so ever since the only motorsport I consider worth watching is rallying, especially the WRC & Dakar rallies!

2018-11-06
teddy boragina
teddy boragina

The last F1 race I watched or ever will watch really.

2018-11-05
Xxx Xxx
Xxx Xxx

Omologation from FIA???? AHAHA when i rented Ferrari 458 and went 276kmh in normal open traffic road in italy i not needed fia but my skills ahahah What a Joke is fia

2018-11-05